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I'm going to remove the notability thing

Because he is sufficiently reported on in outside media.Mr.Magik-Pants (talk) 23:45, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Motorola ranked up to Colonel (?)

today, 4 September 2016 several fonts talks about Motorola has been ranked up to Colonel (Facebook, Twitter mostly). This is still a unstrusted source, has anyone a link to verify this? please approve as soon as you can. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZMG11 (talk • contribs) 11:55, 4 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ive seen that his successor was KIA, during the first few days of the war. would that work? Lexytonb (talk) 03:36, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Killed by unknown assassins

Here. Good biography (Russian), but once again, he was not killed on the order by Ukrainian government. My very best wishes (talk) 02:47, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's important to differentiate Misthanthropic Divisions, reckless unlawful intent rather if it's not for the Ukrainan government, and the fact that only one of three Neo Nazis are in custody for war crimes. Ones dead; the other is in Azovstal. Martin Machelivich (talk) 16:40, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This page should be kept as a matter of consequent "Facts" as opinions are lethal to the idea here.

I agree on your edit on Kent Mclellan, And the other two, But it should be labeled as "Theory" not "Fact" Lexytonb (talk) 03:06, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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He was a terrorist and not a rebel.

65.115.240.27 (talk) 15:24, 21 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done - that is just your point of view.
Please see "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter." - Arjayay (talk) 16:18, 21 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

no proof for any war crimes

they should be noted as accused, the UN did not say anything about warcrimes--Crossswords (talk) 17:15, 21 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"15 killed" is a fake.

Here is Motorola himself debunking the fake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecu9KK5cmpE at 1:00. 78.34.245.179 (talk) 22:00, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ahh yes the war criminal telling us that he isn't a war criminal a very trust worthy source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IHeartVeronica (talk • contribs) 22:00, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

His new wife...

What was her name, Olena or Yelena Kolenkina? It's wierd, that there are two different names in this article. --2003:D1:672B:F67:C90B:41F8:F401:AD1D (talk) 14:24, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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War Crimes Section

@Angloist: Sorry, you can't delete a section with good citations with a vague "werent proven". That's why you were reverted.

@Lute88: Please stop with the lazy revert patrol. Yes, Angloist's edit was bad. All the more reason to explain why you reverted him. If you can't be bothered, you should leave the patrolling to somebody who can.

-- Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 08:20, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Motorola its russia pig — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.33.99.94 (talk) 16:11, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fascistic views

I think it's worth mentioning, considering his name will be in history books of Russia, ironically, as a fighter with fascism. He was quiet confident to tell about his deeds and to wear nazi symbols, after all. https://i.imgur.com/F4v164Z.png A.dmyme (talk) 18:13, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

He was a punk rocker, a ardent metal fan. Skulls and crossbones doesn't significantly share SS symbolism. 2603:9001:5A00:7AA9:E833:DF65:BB68:B010 (talk) 23:30, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Арсен Павлов двоюродный брат николай зайцев 14 января 1993 г. родной покровка октябрьский район приморского края Крамаренко Татьяна (talk) 02:40, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: We don't typically include relatives unless they are independently notable or particularly relevant – is there some reason they meet these criteria? Additionally, a reliable source documenting this connection will need to be provided. Please try to use English when contributing in the future, or provide a machine translation if you cannot – you may also be interested in contributing to the Russian Wikipedia.

Машинный перевод: мы обычно не включаем родственников, если они не являются самостоятельными примечательными или особенно значимыми — есть ли какая-то причина, по которой они соответствуют этим критериям? Кроме того, необходимо будет предоставить надежный источник, документирующий эту связь. Пожалуйста, постарайтесь использовать английский язык при редактировании в будущем или предоставьте машинный перевод, если вы не можете — вы также можете быть заинтересованы в том, чтобы внести свой вклад в Русскую Википедию. Tollens (talk) 02:56, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html

Per the NYT:

"One day after General Kondratiuk was removed, a mysterious explosion in the Russian-occupied city of Donetsk, in eastern Ukraine, ripped through an elevator carrying a senior Russian separatist commander named Arsen Pavlov, known by his nom de guerre, Motorola.

The C.I.A. soon learned that the assassins were members of the Fifth Directorate, the spy group that received C.I.A. training. Ukraine’s domestic intelligence agency had even handed out commemorative patches to those involved, each one stitched with the word “Lift,” the British term for an elevator.

Again, some of Mr. Obama’s advisers were furious, but they were lame ducks — the presidential election pitting Donald J. Trump against Hillary Rodham Clinton was three weeks away — and the assassinations continued."

This should put to rest the back-and-forth allegations - Motorola was killed by the SBU, not rivals or Russia. NYT is a reliable source, and they directly say "according to U.S. and Ukrainian officials." Recommend either adding this information and removing anything about "Ukrainian officials denied the allegations" in his Death and Aftermath sections, or adding this along the lines of "in Feb 2024, the NYT disclosed that Arsen Pavlov was killed by members of the Fifth Directorate, a Ukrainian spy agency...".

32.220.170.116 (talk) 19:23, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FYI the Givi article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Tolstykh#Death) has already had this article incorporated and changes reflected. Strongly recommend condensing the Motorola article and removing extraneous, false claims by Ukrainian officials, especially the paragraph in aftermath starting with "Ukrainian officials have stated that Arsen Pavlov was assassinated by Russia's special forces as part of a drive to purge early separatist leaders..." as this is unfounded speculation. 32.220.170.116 (talk) 19:28, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Zippybonzo | talk | contribs (they/them) 19:17, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]